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Hi All,
After reading Pearls blog about the Great tribulation,the following points came from some research. There was some great scriptures with some interesting discoveries for me. Im sure there are some that you learnt as well. Hope its not too long or repeating. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on that blog.
Agape',
Jahsdisciple.


 Mat 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.

For then there will be a great tribulation”

The question we need to ask is, What is it that starts the “For then there will be a great tribulation” This means before that,there is no GT. What triggers the “For then”?

Joel 2:2 “A day of darkness and gloom,

A day of clouds and thick darkness.
As the dawn is spread over the mountains
So there is a great and mighty people;
There has never been anything like it,
Nor will there be again after it
To the years of many generations.”

Lets break it up and examine a few key points.
Joel 2:2 “A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness.”

As Matt 25 shows,the time in which we live,ALL Anointed have been asleep. What is needed for “sleep”? Night-time,which is “thick Darkness”. Till ALL Anointed are awakened,ALL are asleep spiritually. But who brings the Darkness and Gloom? The Seller of Matt 25 who is the Governing Body. Its their Lies that has induced sleep within Anointed.

But this “darkness” is not natural. Anointed should be awake,no matter what time they live in.

But,something happens that brings the “For then”

“As the dawn is spread over the mountains,” Joel 2:2

Christ as Michael “stands” for His people trapped within Joel's described darkness. For them to know they are in spiritual sleep,they must be awakened. Christ's “4 Angels” in Revelation who are released from the “Great River (of Lies) the Euphrates”, have something happen to them. Christ's True Light of truth dawns within them:“As the dawn is spread over the mountains”. As the Suns “dawn” rises in “the east”,so Truth through Christ awakens them to a day of spiritual light. As part of Invited Mount Zion,there are “mountains” where Christ's dawn Light of Truth is spread over. This is why they can escape the Great River of lies. Truth through Christ has dawned on them,His 4 Angel/messengers from within Anointed of this time.

Since they are to be His heralding Angels messengers,what are some of the first things they will see from Christ,that they must warn other Anointed about when they “wake up” through Christ's dawning light?

So there is a great and mighty people;
There has never been anything like it,
Nor will there be again after it
To the years of many generations.”

One of the first things Pearl has been shown is that “gentiles are trampling” the Holy Ones of Christ,that He as Michael stands for. Why does this lead to the “For then” the beginning of the GT? When Christ dawns inside a faithful Angel/messenger,they too must “stand” for Gods people like Christ Himself does. As a Heralding Angel who is now seeing the Great River of Lies that has put the Governing Body into power AND has allowed “a great and mighty people” of gentiles to Trample Anointed into a state of sleep,this means “civil” WAR! “for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.”

When Christ begins to give truth and “dawn is spread over the mountains,” seeing the “great and mighty people” army of Gentiles doesn't mean just because the “4 Angels” now see them,that they have just assembled for the “4 Angels” to see. No,the “4 Angels” being released means they themselves were slaves under that Great Army and their lies,and now they are released from the great River of lies,the Euphrates /darkness that stopped them from seeing they were slaves to someone other than Christ. As light dawns on the mountains “So there is a great and mighty people”. Only because Christ's Light/truth is dawning on the “4 Angels”,is the great army exposed. The Gentile Army was there for a long time,but not seen by the “mountains” because Christ's light was not “dawning” upon them. Once light “dawns” on the Mountains,then the “great army” is seen. As soon as the night begins to end with “dawn” light,what the “4 angels” see is “So there is a great and mighty people”. What a shock for those “4 Angel” Anointed ! Instead of being slaves to light and Christ,they are slaves of darkness because of the “great and mighty people”/ Great Army that Christ reveals to them via truth within a book they thought they knew the contents of !

Rev 22:16 “I,Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.

Him being the “Morning Star” of Truth will dawn on the mountains of Anointed after the “night of darkness” within which the Gentiles hide.

Some other really great scriptures about Christ dawning on Anointed mountains.

Numbers 24:17
“I see him, but not now;
I behold him, but not near;
A star shall come forth from Jacob,
A scepter shall rise from Israel,
And shall crush through the forehead of Moab,
And tear down all the sons of Sheth.

Dan 12:3 “Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.”

On one hand Jah tells us the there will be stars that lose their brightness....and now Daniel is telling us that there will be ones from “the expanse of the heavens” who will Shine brightly” “like the stars forever and ever.”. Those within heavenly Anointed there will be those “5 Fool” anointed who will give into the Governing Body and her w-hore-mongering using the Beast to enforce and intimidate...and there will be “5 Wise” Anointed who will follow Christ's path and thus “who will Shine brightly” “like the stars forever and ever.”. Because of Christ's truth coming from Him and Dawning on them as Anointed mountains.

The 5 Fool Anointed,who were Invited to heaven and could have shone light from Christ,because they CHOSE to not Shine light from Christ,have not only lost out on their Heavenly Hope,but lost the opportunity to Shine like a star in the sealed Heavens “the stars forever and ever.” The 5 Fool Virgins only shine for a limited time because they shine for the Governing Body.

Luke 1:78
Because of the tender mercy of our God,With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us”.

2Pe 1:19 “So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts"

Rev 2:28 "and I will give him the morning star."

2 Peter 1:19 and Revelation 2:28 are interesting and add something to Joel 2:2. Jah though Christ will “dawn” on Anointed. They will have the chance to see clearly that through Christ's “4 Angels” “the prophetic word made more sure” as opposed to the lies through the False Prophet/Governing Body which has made “the prophetic word” UNsure and “babylon/confusion”. What will they do now that Christ has shown them this? By accepting Truth coming from Christ and thus “Prophecy is made sure” based on Truth,will they be HIS “Witnesses”?

 If they do,Christ does something more: "and I will give him the morning star." Revelation 2:28.

There is a difference between having a light shine upon you...and then the source of that light given to you: "and I will give him the morning star." They become sealed into Christ's Body,not just “invited”. As Sources of Light in/from Christ,these will restore non anointed. They have shown they can be trusted with Christ's light “dawning” on them,now they too will restore as Christ Himself did to them when they are “given the morning star."! Christ restored Anointed from what He was given from the Father...and those sealed into Christ are given what Christ was given,so they can accomplish what Christ has through truth.

Isa 60:1 “Arise, shine; for your light has come,
And the glory of Yhwh has risen upon you.”      Through His Son,but all light comes from Yhwh.

Phil 2:15"so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world"

2 Really important points here.
1/ True and faithful Anointed will appear as lights in the world or sphere of darkness which exists within Anointed as a group,not satan's world.

2/ That anointed whom Christ dawns on with light are “children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation”. The word “generation” is the same one Christ mentions within the Birth-pangs of Matt 24:8 and Mark 13:8 .This term includes ALL the Invited Anointed “generation” of those “Born again” by HS at this time...those “generated” by HS by being Born again via HS.

In the midst of the be-darkened “Born again generation” of Anointed,the Governing Body are at the fore-front of the “crooked and perverse generation” of Born again... and the Governing Body are the cause of it (Governing Body=Harlot=w-hore-monger) with satan's backing!

Those who Christ dawns on will shine from within Anointed as a class/group in this time,because most are still in spiritual darkness because of the Harlot,sitting on “the Great River (of lies) the Euphrates” which the Anointed with “jws” still believe is truth. Many will not stop being a “crooked and perverse generation”. As many as “5” from the “10” Virgin Anointed will choose to be disloyal to light from Christ...hard to believe as that is.

Those who will end up being sealed “Children of God” from within invited Anointed as group,will appear as Lights (because Christ has dawned upon the “mountains” of Zion) compared to the apostate Governing Body and their River of Lying Darkness and slavery the 5 Fools wilfully choose.

As satan makes the claim that anointed will back lies under the Governing Body rather than be Disfellowshiped in “disgrace”,Christ “stands for His people” by supplying Truth to conquer lies. He knows there will be Anointed who will be willing to lose everything from within “jws” and bear the disgrace that Christ Himself did,for their love of Truth. Thus Christ gives them the weapons needed to be successful against the the “crooked and perverse generation” of Born again Governing Body and their satanic darkness...backed by their Gentile Army.

As part of the last world power,the Gentile Great Army have had their “Great River of Lies” upon which the Harlot sits since at least 1879 when the Last Dual Power was united under the “wormwood” propaganda magazine,the “watchtower”. So anointed have been asleep a long time,like a physical night which has a certain period of time. But since 1879,the Beast/Great Army has had its written instructions from the Harlot since then...and the beast has allowed itself to be ridden mainly through the “watchtower”,taking its instructions from the Harlot through that magazine... and even going door to door with their “demon inspired teachings” emblazoned on the front!

The front of the “watchtower” should say “announcing a satanic backed lie”. The 5 Wise Virgins will expose that it is a satanic backed lie during the Great Tribulating Birth-Pangs.

If the message through the “watchtower” being preached was the Truth,why is it that it has “led” all within it into spiritual captivity and “witnesses” of satan? The “watchtower” was used as bait when “jws” knocked on our doors. So wormwood printed its deceptions within the WT,which was the propaganda instrument of the dual world power to elders...and for the “preaching work” as well. Satan's machinations were through the titles of each issue designs to entrap those looking for truth,but he used a great deception using the Governing Body in the “writing committee” to come up with articles and “watchtower” covers to entice and trap those seeking truth to become his captives under the Governing Body through “jws”.

So if it was satan's tactic to use “jws” like this with the “watchtower” as a tool of the dual world power to take captives (as all world powers do),then it was never the truth in the first place,esp under a stolen name: “jehovah's (Yhwh's) witnesses”.

Will a Heralding Angel/messenger be silent about what they know? No! What they see when they wake up is an Abomination against Jah's temple members. A dual world power taking captives by deception. What this means as the First of Anointed to be woken up,is that they will have to battle with the dragon through the organisational beast. They will be tribulated,persecuted and Disfellowshiped/Killed from within “jws” for their stand. All the things mentioned as the “signs” will happen to the first of Anointed to wake up...their personal Birth-pangs. But the Great Tribulating Birth-pangs will start for any anointed who listen to the heralding “4 Angels” of Anointed...because to wake up to the truth,if faithful to that,will means Birth-pangs starting for that one.

They will experience the wrath of the “a great and mighty people” through their so-called “elders”,who like a wild beast,will protect their power and rulership by defending the “great river(of Lies)the Euphrates” that keep the Governing Body,and the “elders” in power. What keeps the last dual world power in power,will be protected by the two parties of the Dual World Power,the Harlot/Governing Body and Beast/”elders”.

What is interesting about the signs is that Anointed in this time period within “jws” DONT KNOW they are undergoing famines,earthquakes,pestilences” because of their spiritual sleep. They are “swallowing” satans lies that he gives to the Governing Body. They are so asleep,they think the very things happening to them...are happening within satans world,and that these fulfil the “signs of the last days”. They dont realise that they must undergo all the Birth-pang “signs” before they are Born into Gods kingdom,because it has not been Born yet. Their spiritual condition,famines,food shortages,pestilences are happening to them even if they dont know it! 

Imagine waking up and realising that instead of being fed spiritual water/truth on a vast scale like a river,you have not been fed truth at all. The “water” you were drinking was part of a river of lies from satan,which put the last dual world power into place. That the Kingdom you have been preaching about all your baptised life,is a fabrication from satan! That you are impoverished,in a state of starvation and in a state of pestilence and sickness! The very things Jesus predicted to be upon anointed,but you dont know it even though you are Anointed.

Joel 2:10 Before them the earth quakes,
The heavens tremble,
The sun and the moon grow dark
And the stars lose their brightness.”

Anointed stars shining in Heaven may lose their “brightness” because of being Trampled,but they are still “stars”,just as the 10 Virgins are asleep/dead in lies,but are still called “Virgins” and are given the chance to trim themselves of lies. They are “Virgins” and “Stars” who will be given a chance to remove lies that stop them from being faithful “Virgins” and “Stars”.

So what will the 5 Wise virgins do when they wake via the “4 Angels” who are first released from the Great River(of Lies) the Euphrates”? They also will shine for Christ. (Acts 1:8) This will mean exposing where the lies are coming from.

Since its the “Great River(of Lies) the Euphrates” that keeps the Governing Body in power as Babylon the Great needing the “Euphrates”,what will they do with regards to those who are waking up and if faithful be part of the Women? Rev says satan wages War with them in “Heaven” through his angel/messengers led by the Governing Body.

Remember that one of the first things the “4 Angels” sees when Christ's light of truth dawns on them,is the “a great and mighty people”. These Gentiles are part of a Dual World power along with the Harlot.

“a great and mighty people” then fight against those who will expose their power base as nothing but lies. The Gentile “elders” then create Great Tribulation for Anointed who are speaking out. This is a significant part of the Great Tribulating Birth-pangs. But ALL parts of the “signs” are the Great Tribulation,not just how they are treated once they wake up and start exposing the Great River of Lies.

"Unless those days had been cut short,no life would have been saved;but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short”.

Not all the events predicted by Christ were in chronological order. So this verse is certainly talking about “those days” of the tribulation,but also something else.

“no life would have been saved;but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short”
So there are 2 mentions of lives being saved: 1/ “no life would have been saved” 2/ “but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short”. If cutting short the days was just for the elect,then they would have been the only ones mentioned,but Christ says “no life would have been saved” which would have included the “elect”. This is because no life can be saved,if the “elect” as the Priests are not saved First. They are the Ones through whom creation is restored.

What “days” are cut short? “jws” are taught that the GT is cut short within satans world for the Anointed. But the GT is part of the Birth-pangs. Birth-pangs are needed so Anointed can be Born into Gods Kingdom. What “days had been cut short” is also talking about the days of “trampling and sleep” that Anointed are in because of the seller/Governing Body. If Anointed were not woken by the “Cry” from Christ (Matt25)and the “4 Angels” did not proclaim their message to Anointed,the 10 Virgins as a class including the 4 Angels,would have stayed asleep and trampled...would not have had Christ “Dawn” upon them....Truth would not be theirs...and they would not be part of those receiving of the first resurrection,which comes from Christ truth dawning upon them.

If they stayed asleep,their trampling as priests would have continued indefinitely...and they could not be sealed as Priests (ending the trampling)if they did not wake up,accept the truth from Christ,reject the Governing Body as the w-hore-mongering “other husband”,and share in exposing the imposter husband as agents of lies flowing in “the great river” of lies mentioned in Revelation.

“no life would have been saved” if Christ did not make this happen via truth,to end them being trampling via lies and in a state of spiritual Death. Truth is life. To exist within Lies is Death...and being trampled and asleep will mean you will not learn the Truth from Christ so as to be part of the First Resurrection...those anointed dead in lies but being bought back to spiritual life through Truth from Christ.

If the “First Resurrection” did not happen via truth to Anointed,they would not get life and neither would non-anointed get life through those Anointed part of the “First Resurrection,who would rule UPON the Earth as part of the completed Priesthood. Non-anointed only get life through Anointed who are part of the “First Resurrection”..and if Anointed in this period were not awakened to their predicament of being trampled by Gentiles and not being faithful priests because of being dead in lies because of their spiritual adultery,they would stay dead in lies and not be able to bring the rest of creation to life.

Thus “no life would have been saved”. Their capacities as Spiritual Priests is dead because they are not acting as priests because lies are stopping them.

The “life” of all anointed can only be saved by them leaving behind the lies and death through the adulterous Governing Body. Otherwise they are “dead in lies”. So Michael “stands” for His people knowing “who is like God” and gives Anointed in this time that knowledge by making it “dawn upon the mountains” of Mt Zion Invited,so they can leave lies and death behind,that comes from Lies and spiritual adultery through the Governing Body.

Their roles of being spiritual Priests is resurrected by truth. Lies kept them from being true Priests,because lies trampled or stopped them,from carrying out priestly duties for/through Christ. Truth resurrected that Role and they start exposing lies that lead to death if followed. A Priest can end death in someone by the Truth Christ supplies...if that ones listens and applies that Truth.

Christ's “dawning light” on Anointed gives that awakened Priest whats needed to end death from Lies...to himself and others.

In contrast,the UNfaithful priests within the Governing Body bring death to those under them,because of the River of Lies from satan.

Through 5 Wise virgins,life WILL be saved,but through 5 Fools life will not be saved because they allow the events within the Great tribulating Birth-pangs to stop them from being true Priests...and from severe pressure from the “Great Army”. The threat of death and being branded apostate,stopped them taking actions that could have saved many other people spiritual lives trapped within “jws”.

 The 5 Fool Virgins are there-fore blood-guilty when they could have accepted Truth,taken a stand and saved other people from death as a Priest should. But because of cowardice has let other people die. This of course will not be allowed to happen. The 5 wise virgins will become Christ's Witnesses and save those who will listen from within “jws”.

Matt.24, verse 29...“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

This is not talking about the physical universe,but through symbolisms,a spiritual reality within Anointed.

AFTER the Birth-pangs are completed(“But immediately after the tribulation”)...and as a consequence of the Birth-pangs,what does Jesus reveal about some Anointed,the 5 Virgin Fools and the seller/Governing Body? That some who were once (wrongly)considered full of spiritual light and so bright like the sun in spiritual truth,will no longer be seen as light as they claim(the Governing Body). Stars will fall from “Heaven”,those who were thought of like the Governing Body to navigate inside of mankinds spiritual darkness and because they claimed to be part of Gods Kingdom in “heaven”,because they were considered to give of light from Christ...even by asleep Anointed. They fall from heaven because they have lost their Heavenly hope as a “star of light” within that “Heavenly” Hope. We in this time will see the “weeping and gnashing of teeth” of unfaithful Anointed who will lose their Hope and the effect it will have on them,much like Judas grief after betraying Christ.

Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in sun and moon and stars".

Luke shows the “birth-pangs”SIGNS mentioned by Matthew(24:8) and Mark(13:8) happen within anointed. The SIGNS are the Birth-pangs described in detail. Who do they effect? Anointed,since they are the Ones going to be Born into Gods Kingdom.

So when Luke quotes Christ,Christ is saying the birth-pang/SIGNS happen within those also called “sun and moon and stars". As Invited luminaries of spiritual light,the Birth-Pang/Signs will be bought upon them...ones who will be faithful and reflect the light that Christ dawns upon. Many wont,and this is major part of the Great tribulating Birth-pangs. All Anointed will be given the chance to be faithful “sun and moon and stars".

Important point.
UNfaithful Anointed,primarily within and spearheaded by the Governing Body,also “fall from heaven” in another sense. The Governing Body have claimed that Gods Kingdom was Born in 1914. Because of this...AND explaining through false bible reasoning backed by satans “powerful signs and portents” within the World he controls,it has been part of a Great deception,that “the kingdom” is Born/established. This has been believed as True and preached with the Governing Body taking the lead in this. To such a point,”jws” have “placed” literally billions of “watchtower” magazines making this claim. Importantly,where does this put the Governing Body within “jws”?
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In their place of power and “governance” as “luminaries” within “heaven” of Gods Kingdom,supposedly Sealed there because of the Kingdoms supposed Birth in “Heaven”.
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Because of satans backing,they claim they are sealed into that Kingdom,which means they are sealed in their “heavenly” hope and thus they are permanent “stars in the sky” of Heaven. Can any “jw” counter this claim? Did any anointed while asleep challenge this claim that because the Governing Body were leading the organisation in its preaching of the Kingdoms Birth...and that they claim they were given Gods spirit as a channel” of it to explain this truth to others? No. Because of this unchallengeable position because Christ had not woken His “4 Angels”,this had seemingly placed them as a permanent part of heaven. This is why they claim to represent Christ. They say they are sealed as a permanent Members of “The kingdom”,which means they are physical manifestation of that Kingdom on earth. Their claim is,thats why they are leading the organisation and giving it “truth”.This is why Jesus explains that AFTER the tribulation Birth-pangs...and as a result of it,Anointed Governing Body who were thought of as “heaven” where “The Kingdom” has been supposedly been established for over 100 years,are now seen as NOT being part of sealed Heavenly members at all. They will be exposed as LIARS and that to put themselves in power,they used a great deception supplied by satan to get that power and position.

What will be seen is that Governing Body members are part of the ones described as “and the stars will fall from the sky” who experience Great tribulating Birth-pangs...and have FAILED.

The great tribulating Birth-pangs all Anointed have to prove faithful through,will reveal that anointed within the Governing Body are not fit to be part of Gods kingdom,though they claim to represent it.. They accepted lies from satan to fill their lusts for power. Thus these “stars” will fall from their claimed permanent position within “The Kingdom”, their former Heavenly Hope.

As the great deception is exposed by the “4 Angels”,so also will be exposed will be those who used it from within Anointed. Those who used it to make it appear they were part of “Gods established Kingdom”.If Gods Kingdom has not been Born,then they are NOT part of it as they claim. Thus they “fall” from the place they claim exists.

At the moment,anointed within the Governing Body are “hidden” in Heaven,that is,it looks like they ought to be there...and all Anointed within “jws” dont realise that they only appear to be rightfully there by “teachings of demons” and the “lying signs and portents”. But the Great Tribulating Birth-pangs is going to show that they DONT belong where they say they do,that the “kingdoms Birth” which “rightfully” places them there is a lie. Once that is exposed,they will drop from “heaven” like a great millstone,smashing to earth.

So one result of the “Great Tribulating Birth-pangs” being completed upon ALL Anointed is that it will be seen that the Governing Body are Babylon the Great/false prophet and Harlot,and that she will “fall” from Her Heavenly Hope because Her Great River of Lies from satan that kept Her in power have been “dried up” as false spiritual water by Jahs Fire through His Sons Witnesses.

Not all Invited Anointed will prove faithful during the “Great Tribulating Birth-pangs”. It will reveal that some will lose out on their heavenly reward for being lovers of Lies...or not speaking out against lies,showing spiritual cowardice. The Governing Body as Babylon(confusion because of lies) the Great and seen as those of “heaven”, will be seen as not passing the “Birth-pangs” and thus will not be Born into Gods Kingdom. “There,outside the kingdom is where the weeping and gnashing of the teeth will be” for being disloyal lie lovers!

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Rev says they have fallen to the earth..and Revelation also says that Babylon the Great has fallen..and she was looked up to as a source of light like the Sun,which was the Great River of false water/truth which was exposed as not being waters of Truth. But when she “falls” from “Heaven”,She is defeated by truth and will be removed from Her position so that the Great “confusion/Babylon”coming from Her,exists no longer. What was once considered Truth in vast quantities like a Great River of water/truth...are now through Christ's Witnesses seen/exposed as lies.

Her “River of Lies” are dried up by real Fire/Truth from Christ's Witnesses. Thus Babylon the Great Falls by the word of truth coming from Christ's Witnesses.

The Birth-pang/GT have revealed which anointed have given light and those who havnt...and they will be sealed accordingly. They used to be seen as faithful Anointed,but the Birth-pangs have shown they are not,even though many thought they were. Thus these anointed who appeared to be like the “Sun,Moon and Stars” in spiritual light,will be seen for who they really are.

The heavens are Anointed. The “powers of the heavens will be shaken." The “powers” that are the base of each of the 2 sides will be shaken to see who will be faithful to truth. So not just who are Christ's and satan's angels,but also on a personal level of those angel/messengers,their powers,what they trust will be shaken to see what they hold as truth so as to be faithful to it.

Even one who is trying to be faithful to Christ will have his “powers” shaken,to see if he will be loyal and sealed to the “power” of Christ's truth.

So can the “great Army” of gentiles,stop Anointed from shining? They exert great influence backed by the threat of being Disfellowshiped. However,if an Anointed stops shining or refuses to even begin shining after being woken from sleep,because of “fear of men” and that they will be branded “apostate against Jah”,them not shining because of that pressure is a deliberate choice. The “4 Angels” who are first released from the great river of lies,takes this message to other Angel/messenger/Anointed that they are also trapped by lies within “jws”.

What will that Anointed do? As with the 10 Virgins,many choose not to shine for Christ and expose the lies that trap anointed and others within “jws”,despite being shown the Truth that lies kept them in spiritual sleep. In doing so,they reject Christ,HS which tells them what the 4 Angels is sharing from Christ is the REAL Truth,and the Truth they should share by shining it. This is a deliberate act,which seals them as the “5 Fools”. The “great army” has served this purpose allowed by Jah in bringing Great Tribulating Birth-pangs to determine if they are fit for Gods kingdom.

Lets not forget,ALL anointed within sleep,were witnesses for lies while a “jw”, and this was against Christ's truth. When awoken(as all will be),and if they refuse to be Christ's witnesses, will still continue to go from “door 2 door” telling the lies of the Harlot...while knowing the Truth from Christ is not being told via their bearing “false witness”. They will continue to “go to meetings” where they know lies are being fed non anointed sheep while they sit there and say nothing for Christ. This is a sin against the Holy Spirits operation upon them through their Anointing. The HS will have born witness to them that Christ's 4 Angels message is truth,while they deliberately preach lies from the Governing Body in order not be Disfellowshiped and stay within the organisation. If they dont repent of this sin,their Hope is lost.

They are complicit to lies and the death this will mean to those who follow those lies.

 True Anointed Priests help remove sin and death via truth,but if they don't make a stand for truth coming from Christ,then they have betrayed that invitation and its purpose.

The “great army” of gentiles is being used to tribulate them and to sift them in their faithfulness as wheat and weather they will barter that away being spiritual Lamps...and not shine as Bridal Lamps for Christ.. The great army bullies Anointed into allowing the trampling to continue upon them. What will they do? They will have to refine themselves and be courageous for Christ and truth coming from Him. This is certainly a refining process because it means not being in fear of men...and trusting that what Christ expects from His witnesses is more important than what so-called elders think. The great army will also Kill them by Disfellowshiping them in “disgrace” as an apostate. This is a great purifier for Anointed “mountains”,because being Disfellowshiped as an apostate against Jah is a terrible thing to happen.

Are they willing to loose everything within an organisation based on a River of lies,to stay faithful to Jah and Christ?..including their personal reputation ?

What is satans method that he is using so Anointed are they being Trampled? What is the great River that is making it possible? A Flood of Lies so vast,Revelation describes them as a “Great River”. Instead of the lies taught them being the actual Truth,the lies have made them think “elders” are in their rightful place,which is trampling them,and teaching “jws” the “truth”,instead of Anointed doing this. But in fact,it has stopped them listening to Christ,being in adultery,and believing such lies has stopped them from being Priests and that Role is trampled.

Imagine waking up as the 10 Virgins do,to find out that the organisation you have been part is in fact the last dual world power mentioned by Daniel...and that the river of Lies was so vast,that it was masterminded by satan to hide his lies from you!

All world powers have great armies to protect their sovereignty..and the dual world power of the Harlot and Gentile Beast is no different. Its “elder arrangement” which “leads the charge” of that “great army” that protects the Dual World Power from being exposed..and thus able to stay in power. Anointed and their rightful connection with Christ makes them the single most significant danger for that Empire/Dual World Power,which is why they must be trampled and kept asleep via lies...or removed by being Disfellowshiped.

This is all part of the great Tribulating Birth-pangs.

But 4 points that stood out to me were:
1/“As the dawn is spread over the mountains,” Joel 2:2. Its when Anointed wake up via Christ dawning on them through Truth through the 4 Angels,that they see the Gentile army thats been there for over 100 Years.
2/the Governing Body,also “fall from heaven” in the sense that they have lied about 1914 that put them in power. When this is seen and proven from Christ as a lie,their once seeming permenant position in "Heaven" is gone! They fall from"Heaven" because they are not part of Gods kingdom which hasnt been Born yet!
3/ If the “First Resurrection” did not happen via truth to Anointed by their "trampling" as Priests ending,they would not get life and neither would non-anointed get life through those Anointed part of the “First Resurrection So Christ ends that trampling by "standing" and giving them Truth so they can end their personal Trampling by being Loyal to Him via truth.
4/ satan uses The "watchtower" as a "wormwood" propganda tool of the Dual World power, used in the "preaching work" to make captives of honest hearted ones...and unify his empire under the Harlot.

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Jul 29 15 3:39 PM

" Dawn over the mountains "

Just wanted to comment about Joel 2:2, and the army, and the "like dawn over the mountains".
It is true that the light of dawn comes to the sealed ones (Rev.2:26, 28; 2Pet.1:19; Luke1:78; Isa.60:1; Eph.5:13-14).
But it only happens after the dawn of darkness comes, which Joel 2:2 is referring to.
Please compare Joel 2:2, to Jer.13:16...

"a day of darkness and gloom,
    a day of clouds and blackness.
Like dawn spreading across the mountains
    a large and mighty army comes,
such as never was in ancient times
    nor ever will be in ages to come." (Joel2:2)   See- (Matt.24:21)

"Give glory to the Lord your God
    before he brings the darkness,
before your feet stumble
    on the darkening mountains.
You hope for light,
    but he will turn it to utter darkness
    and change it to deep gloom." (Jer.13:16)

Note that the comparison of dawn, is made to the mighty army.
That army brings with it darkness, not light. That darkness spreads over the "mountains", like dawn. As Jer.13:16 states, it causes the mountains in Joel2:2, to "darken".

When the dawn of light later arrives to those called out of the already existing darkness (1Pet.2:9; Isa.60:1) it is due to their repentance, and return to Christ
(Rev.3:3, 18-19; John8:12; 1John1:6-7).
But as with all Satan's mirror images of counterfeit fulfillment of prophecy, there is another dawn...
one of darkness that claims to be light (Isa.5:20; Matt.6:22-23) (2Cor.11:14-15, 13; 1Tim.6:20; Col.2:8; Rev.13:10, 7)
(2Thess.2:9; 1Thess.5:4-8; Eph.5:6-10).
This "dawn" of darkness advances over the earth, and instead of bringing light to everything, it swallows everything in it's deep gloom.

I tell you this interpretation of Joel2:2, because I am certain. It was a part of my last vision. 
After entering the stone tower with the children, and climbing to the top to see the sky,
I saw the army of Satan advancing, like a speeding wall of smoke and darkness. It enveloped me. When it did, I became totally blind. 
I was given this vision, to show me, that I too would be a victim of that tribulation/army, and it's blinding effects (Deut.28:28-29; Isa.59:9-12).
The partial purpose of that, was so that I could identify the genuine interpretation.

Before dawn comes for the remnant, the tribulation comes first. It is a day of darkness and thick gloom, so that the heavenly illuminaries do not shine for the Chosen Ones, during their captivity. They are the "mountains" of Israel (Eze.36:1; Mark13:14; Eze.36:8), over which this dreaded plague of darkness, spreads (Joel2:2; Jer.13:16). 
After that cloaking, the lights of heaven will not be seen (Matt.24:29; Isa.13:10; 34:4; 5:30; 8:22).
It is our discipline (Luke21:22; Jer.23:12; 13:16; Amos5:18; Mal.3:1-3; Zech.13:9). 
Yet the faithful who return to Christ's headship, will be saved out of it (Jer.30:7; John12:46; Dan.12:1; Rev.3:18).

"Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going." (John12:35)
 "As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work." (John9:4)
Please consider Zephaniah, chapter 1 
Isa.13:9; Obad.1:16-18)


The advancement of the final Gentile power, over the face of the "earth", can be compared to the opposite of dawn, due to it spreading darkness over God's people, rather than light. It can be compared to a physical sunset, as night advances over the earth.
This moving line between darkness and light, is called the "Terminator" in science, and can be seen in the physical realm.
Here is a video of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(solar)

That is just how I saw it advance toward me.

Here is a picture:
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The powers of darkness, released from the abyss, spread over God's Land, just like dawn does...
except it is darkness, rather than light. This is why the Hebrew of Joel 2:2, makes the advancement of this army and the darkness it carries, a comparison to the spreading of dawn.
And as Joel 2:2 tells us, the great army (locust-scorpions)...
      (that God sends to discipline us for our idolatrous worship of them and their Wild Beast collective);
      (and which is the cause of the Great Tribulation) (LINK)
...is what carries that spreading darkness.

"The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. " (Rev.9:1-4,9)

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” (Rev.17:14)

 

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Jul 30 15 3:41 AM

Great posts!!! Thankyou both! Very enlightening & encouraging! It make so much sense why the Jw's teach "Pangs of DISTRESS" rather than "BIRTH pangs" because as we both know bith pangs come BEFORE the birth, not afterwards.
May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. Are there ones STILL being Chosen/Anointed?

Warm & loving regards,
Daz

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Jul 30 15 6:37 AM

Hello Daz,
Good question. I have wondered it myself. I will pray for insight into this, and see what I can write.
But for now, I am off to do the work for the weekend, so it won't be right away.

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Pearl Doxsey wrote:
Hello Daz,
Good question. I have wondered it myself. I will pray for insight into this, and see what I can write.
But for now, I am off to do the work for the weekend, so it won't be right away.

Hi Pearl, it's good to know you have also wondered this, I look forward to your response to this. Take care, all the very best for the weekend.

Warm & loving regards,

Daz

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Jul 30 15 2:49 PM

What an incredible thread!  Thank you JD and Pearl.

Jer 23:11,12“Both prophet and priest are godless;
    even in my temple I find their wickedness,”
declares the Lord.
12 “Therefore their path will become slippery;
    they will be banished to darkness
    and there they will fall.
I will bring disaster on them
    in the year they are punished,”
declares the Lord.

I wonder the same things that you asked, Daz. Are there ones still being anointed?  

Also, you said, May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. 

Personally, I never realized that what I experienced right before baptism in the organization was an anointing.  I knew it was something special and related it to just a few people in the organization but there was no help in understanding; only a comment by a friend getting baptized at the same time that perhaps I was anointed.  I dismissed that thought entirely.  After that, I fell asleep - and I mean solidly asleep -  I put it in the back of my mind for 32 years.  There were times though, when the boys were growing up that I pleaded with them to pray for Holy Spirit to help them, telling them I knew it could help.  It was like a memory of love one can’t forget but also not able to grasp the entire meaning of it.  I thought everyone I knew must have had such an experience at some point. 

It wasn’t until Christ led me to Pearl’s writings that things started clicking.  She helped me open my eyes clearly, and it took time to pull that love out of my brain and heart.  The event itself and the understanding came in small waves making the picture clearer, but I begged in prayer to bring the event into focus!  I have a terrible memory inherited from my father and it seems to be getting worse.  I also can’t dismiss the darkness that had to be removed in my spiritual being in order to see once again just what took place.  

Perhaps there are others in the organization that are like me; oh, how I truly hope they open their eyes!

This is just a thought that I had.  When I was realizing the hypocrisy in the organization, I would still attend meetings and sat in the back.  As I look back, it seemed to be a progressive motion for the elders to ignore me.  I could go a month attending meetings without one talking to me and my husband had been an elder. What is interesting is if he accompanied me to a meeting, they made a point to speak to him.  I really didn't care at the time, I thought I was there to please the Father and learn.  But I wonder, did Satan recognize my anointing?  Perhaps if nothing else, heard me speak of it early on; and when I was becoming disenchanted and seeking answers, did he use the elders to show distaste toward me?  I really don't put anything past his ability anymore.
 
I look forward to your words on this, Pearl.  Please be safe out there.

love,
peely

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Hi Peely,
About your question...if satan knew of your anointing,i would say yes. Heres why i think this. Rev12:10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night". The "brothers" are anointed who satan accuses of not being faithful..or not willing to face trials for truth and faithfulness to their calling. So satan knows who they are in order to "accuse" them. That you were asleep would have been part of his accusations and weather you would wake up when Christ knew it would be time to. Just a thought.

I thought it was interesting that you were anointed before being baptised. Perhaps He was trying to show you that your anointing was more important to Him,and wanted you to know this before  entering slavery to the Org . He was confident you could over-come this slvery and knew you would treasure your anointing more than slavery to the org,which you would "wake up" to when Christ saw fit. Ive heard anointed ask weather they should get re-baptised. But the fact that Jah Anointed you just before being baptised was perhaps His way of saying, "I know you are about to enter sleep,but i anointed and accept you because i understand this is what must happen". I know i cant speak for Jah,but Him doing that just before you entered slavery,to me that sounds very re-assuring and understanding of Him. You were about to go into the Org,but He wanted you to know He still wanted you just the same...that Anointing from Him comes before anything to do with the Org.  Wow. Congradulations Peely on Jahs reassurance!

Also,Pearl has clarified a few points about what i posted... and there some things i wrote that arent right in the context of Joel. The 4 angels being freed from the Great River and seeing the army of gentiles is among th the first things they see...but this is not right in the context of what Jah was saying through Joel. When i clearly get the points in order,i will post the corrections.

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peely wrote:
What an incredible thread!  Thank you JD and Pearl.

Jer 23:11,12“Both prophet and priest are godless;
    even in my temple I find their wickedness,”
declares the Lord.
12 “Therefore their path will become slippery;
    they will be banished to darkness
    and there they will fall.
I will bring disaster on them
    in the year they are punished,”
declares the Lord.

I wonder the same things that you asked, Daz. Are there ones still being anointed?  

Also, you said, May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. 

Personally, I never realized that what I experienced right before baptism in the organization was an anointing.  I knew it was something special and related it to just a few people in the organization but there was no help in understanding; only a comment by a friend getting baptized at the same time that perhaps I was anointed.  I dismissed that thought entirely.  After that, I fell asleep - and I mean solidly asleep -  I put it in the back of my mind for 32 years.  There were times though, when the boys were growing up that I pleaded with them to pray for Holy Spirit to help them, telling them I knew it could help.  It was like a memory of love one can’t forget but also not able to grasp the entire meaning of it.  I thought everyone I knew must have had such an experience at some point. 

It wasn’t until Christ led me to Pearl’s writings that things started clicking.  She helped me open my eyes clearly, and it took time to pull that love out of my brain and heart.  The event itself and the understanding came in small waves making the picture clearer, but I begged in prayer to bring the event into focus!  I have a terrible memory inherited from my father and it seems to be getting worse.  I also can’t dismiss the darkness that had to be removed in my spiritual being in order to see once again just what took place.  

Perhaps there are others in the organization that are like me; oh, how I truly hope they open their eyes!

This is just a thought that I had.  When I was realizing the hypocrisy in the organization, I would still attend meetings and sat in the back.  As I look back, it seemed to be a progressive motion for the elders to ignore me.  I could go a month attending meetings without one talking to me and my husband had been an elder. What is interesting is if he accompanied me to a meeting, they made a point to speak to him.  I really didn't care at the time, I thought I was there to please the Father and learn.  But I wonder, did Satan recognize my anointing?  Perhaps if nothing else, heard me speak of it early on; and when I was becoming disenchanted and seeking answers, did he use the elders to show distaste toward me?  I really don't put anything past his ability anymore.
 
I look forward to your words on this, Pearl.  Please be safe out there.

love,
peely

Hi Peely, thankyou for your post & sharing your thoughts with us, I found it very encouraging. I also experienced a similar thing at the meetings with regards to the elders decline in making an effort to talk with me. Before I used to ask questions they would make alot of effort to come talk with me & make me feel welcome. They also used to try & pressure me to answer up more at the meetings but I just didn't feel comfortable doing that, can't explain why, I guess it was because I didn't want to answer in the usual way of resighting what we had just read from the watchtower magazine, my answers that were in my head were always more personal & sometimes differed to what the watchtower was saying. It was very strange & I used to think it was me & my lack of understanding or intelligence, I know now that it wasn't the case at all. Peely I would very interested to hear in more detail what you felt at the point of your anointing if of course you feel you would like to share it.
I have been asked by various people if I am of the Chosen/Anonted class but I have always remained neutral to this question because I do not want to be presumptuous, I do not feel worthy enough to comprehend it. I mean no offence to anyone who feels or knows they are Anointed, infact it must be wonderful for you to know this & accept it. For me even though I recognize there has been massive changes within me & the way I understand things now, I still feel that there is much refinement that has to take place with regards to myself. I fall so short & have much work to do to become who I want to be in my heart, to become pleasing to my Father in Heaven. I get confused at times because on one hand I am a struggling simple man who falls so short but on the other hand I can see that I am different, I do not mean different as in being better than anyone else, quite the opposite infact, it's hard to explain, all I can do is wait on the Father as I know He will set my path straight. When I first came across Pearl's sight & reading her posts it was like a breath of fresh air, I had read many others writings but something was always missing for me, I am not saying that Pearl has all the answers as nobody does & she will be the first to tell you that, sometimes we have to wait for undersatnding to become apparent at the right time, as we all know the time will come when all will have the knowledge, it is clear that some are gifted with more insight than others at present, but Pearl certainly had enough to set me on my way & for once I felt I had some direction & she has certainly been a great confidant at times when I have been in need of a friend, but I have always maintained that I rely on the God & scriptures for understanding as does Pearl, she has always made it clear to me not to just take her word for it & to read cited scriptures & pray for the understanding.
Anyway this is partly the reason for my question I asked, maybe others feel similar to me.
Thanks again Peely!

Warm & loving regards,
Daz

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Hi Daz,
You said:"For me even though I recognize there has been massive changes within me & the way I understand things now, I still feel that there is much refinement that has to take place with regards to myself. I fall so short & have much work to do to become who I want to be in my heart, to become pleasing to my Father in Heaven. I get confused at times because on one hand I am a struggling simple man who falls so short but on the other hand I can see that I am different, I do not mean different as in being better than anyone else, quite the opposite infact, it's hard to explain, all I can do is wait on the Father as I know He will set my path straight. "

We all want to live up to what Jah wants us to be...to be worthy of the treasures we see. Dont give up. Keep fighting. Paul felt similar:
Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.

 Rom 7:20
But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

 Rom 7:21
I find then the fnprinciple that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.

 Rom 7:22
For I joyfully concur with the law of God fnin the inner man,

 Rom 7:23
but I see a different law in fnthe members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner fnof the law of sin which is in my members.

 Rom 7:24
Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from fnthe body of this death?

Look how much Paul was used by Jah,yet dealt with his inner turmoil. Take courage,Jah sees your love for His truth. But it is worth every effort to "pummel my body and lead it as a slave". It will take that much effort and Jah will give us His spirit so we can conquer our sins if we are serious about doing that.
Agape :-)
Jahsdisciple.

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Hello All,
Home resting today due to heat stroke from yesterday. But Obadiah is out there, and I will be back on the pavement tomorrow.
I took a look at the link below, and am improving it's content.
Here is the first addition, because it really is a relevant one as regards Daz's question...
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ADDITION:

I believe that being chosen by God requires that His Holy Spirit makes contact with that one (Rom.8:16).
I know of no other way, according to the scriptures (Acts10:47).
Each of us are chosen personally (John15:162Chron.16:9 ARom.9:15,16Rev.5:9,10;1Pet.2:9,10Isa.43:10,21).
I do not think it is just a feeling. When someone contacts us, we know it 
(Gal.1:15Acts9:15Rom.8:28,301Cor.1:9Eph.4:1,42Tim.1:9Heb.9:152Pet.1:10).
Feeling is with the contact, because God speaks to our hearts (2Cor.1:22Eze.36:27;2Cor.3:3Jer.31:33Deut.6:6,8Heb.8:10). 

What does the spirit say/put, into our heart? 
Note these four scriptures:


"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you" (1Pet.1:3-4)

"And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because He has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love." (Rom.5:5)
"whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:6)
"Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, **the Spirit who calls out, 'Abba, Father.' " (Gal.4:6)

**A father, naturally loves his son. The love God pours into our hearts, tells us of our adoption.

Every anointed one whom I have spoken to about this moment, all claim that they felt overwhelming love being poured into their hearts, and knew the event was from outside themselves.
For me personally, this occurred during a vision, because of my own place in the Body of Christ (Num.12:6). 

We have Holy Spirit poured into our heart, like the oil of anointment (2Cor.1:21Ex.29:7;30:301Sam.10:116:1,7,12,13Zech.4:14).
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The scriptures are links here, but if you want them to pop up, you can go to the (LINK) to read them.
Back to work :)
Pearl

 

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Pearl,
You said:

[highlight=#ffcccc]"And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because He has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love." (Rom.5:5)
"whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:6)
"Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts**the Spirit who calls out, 'Abba, Father.' " (Gal.4:6)[/highlight]
**[highlight=#ffcccc]A father, naturally loves his son. The love God pours into our hearts, tells us of our adoption.[/highlight]

Isnt it interesting that the first fruit of the spirit is love? So when and Anointed does get anointed,the first “Fruit” or result of the Spirit is Love. (Gal 5:22)

John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.”

Its interesting Christ didnt say, “when you die and come to heaven,we will make our abode with you/him.” No,before Anointed get to Heaven,they are INCLUDED into “Our Abode” or home. When Christ said “I am going away to prepare a place for you”,He wasnt just talking about a literal Heavenly place. When He died,His doing so enabled Gods temple of living members to be able to be formed. When as the foundation,He supplied the means for other Anointed to be placed upon Him as the foundation,the “place was prepared” for them to be part of Gods Building temple.

John 14:2 “In My Father’s house are many dwelling G3438(abodes/homes) places; G3438 if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.”

Christ prepared a “place” for Anointed by dying and making it possible for Anointed to be part of Gods temple Building. A place where Jahs Holy Spirit could reside,and thus He was there via His Holy Spirit. The temple of old was the representation of the Spiritual temple to come. Jah called the Temple “my house”.(Matt21:13,Acts 7:47) There were manifestations that proved He was there via manifestations of HS,fire and a cloud. It would be filled with Holy Spirit. The temple of Living Members will also be filled with Holy Spirit...which would mean they would be filled with the primary and first quality of Jah:Love. Jah uses His holy Spirit to transfer all things Holy,the most important being Love.

Jah refers to anointed as His “building”. What is an abode/home but somewhere to live. You go there,you stay there,you reside within it. The Temple are Anointed as living stones. And HS is within them as part of that building. Thus they are His and His Sons abode/home,because as a “building” Jah and Christ reside within them via Holy Spirit. A “Home” is a building,it has to be built after having a foundation.

Hebrews 3:6 “but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house,G3624whose house G3624 we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.”

Christ made it possible for that Abode/House of living members to be built by dying for truth. What He gained was the right to that House foundation,so that those upon Him, could have Jah and Christ reside within the members of that “house” via holy Spirit and for that House to be filled with Love.

1Peter 2:5 “you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house G3624 for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”

1 Peter 2:9 “But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;”

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?”

1Co 6:19 “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?”

Eph 2:21 “in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,”

Eph 2:22 “in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.”

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Jahsdisciple wrote:
Hi Daz,
You said:"For me even though I recognize there has been massive changes within me & the way I understand things now, I still feel that there is much refinement that has to take place with regards to myself. I fall so short & have much work to do to become who I want to be in my heart, to become pleasing to my Father in Heaven. I get confused at times because on one hand I am a struggling simple man who falls so short but on the other hand I can see that I am different, I do not mean different as in being better than anyone else, quite the opposite infact, it's hard to explain, all I can do is wait on the Father as I know He will set my path straight. "

We all want to live up to what Jah wants us to be...to be worthy of the treasures we see. Dont give up. Keep fighting. Paul felt similar:
Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.

 Rom 7:20
But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

 Rom 7:21
I find then the fnprinciple that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.

 Rom 7:22
For I joyfully concur with the law of God fnin the inner man,

 Rom 7:23
but I see a different law in fnthe members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner fnof the law of sin which is in my members.

 Rom 7:24
Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from fnthe body of this death?

Look how much Paul was used by Jah,yet dealt with his inner turmoil. Take courage,Jah sees your love for His truth. But it is worth every effort to "pummel my body and lead it as a slave". It will take that much effort and Jah will give us His spirit so we can conquer our sins if we are serious about doing that.
Agape :-)
Jahsdisciple.

Hi JD, thankyou kindly for those encouraging scriptural references, yes indeed Paul did struggle, his journey must have a very difficult one especially due to what he used to be to what he became, what a huge transformation, this clearly shows that God & Christ can certainly read hearts!
Thankyou once again, much appreciated!

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Pearl Doxsey wrote:
=16pxHello All,
Home resting today due to heat stroke from yesterday. But Obadiah is out there, and I will be back on the pavement tomorrow.
I took a look at the link below, and am improving it's content.
Here is the first addition, because it really is a relevant one as regards Daz's question...
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ADDITION:

I believe that being chosen by God requires that His Holy Spirit makes contact with that one (Rom.8:16).
I know of no other way, according to the scriptures (Acts10:47).
Each of us are chosen personally (John15:162Chron.16:9 ARom.9:15,16Rev.5:9,10;1Pet.2:9,10Isa.43:10,21).
I do not think it is just a feeling. When someone contacts us, we know it 
(Gal.1:15Acts9:15Rom.8:28,301Cor.1:9Eph.4:1,42Tim.1:9Heb.9:152Pet.1:10).
Feeling is with the contact, because God speaks to our hearts (2Cor.1:22Eze.36:27;2Cor.3:3Jer.31:33Deut.6:6,8Heb.8:10). 

What does the spirit say/put, into our heart? 
Note these four scriptures:

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you" (1Pet.1:3-4)

"And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because He has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love." (Rom.5:5)
"whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:6)
"Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts**the Spirit who calls out, 'Abba, Father.' " (Gal.4:6)
=16px**A father, naturally loves his son. The love God pours into our hearts, tells us of our adoption.

=16pxEvery anointed one whom I have spoken to about this moment, all claim that they felt overwhelming love being poured into their hearts, and knew the event was from outside themselves.
For me personally, this occurred during a vision, because of my own place in the Body of Christ (Num.12:6). 

We have Holy Spirit poured into our heart, like the oil of anointment (2Cor.1:21Ex.29:7;30:301Sam.10:116:1,7,12,13Zech.4:14).
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The scriptures are links here, but if you want them to pop up, you can go to the (LINK) to read them.
Back to work :)
Pearl



 

Thankyou very much pearl for your reply also & for the scriptural references. There was also an occasion where I felt such an overwhelming deep love that I guess can only be described as being "poured" into or "entering, gushing" into my heart & aslo felt I such an appreciation for God & Christ, all this had such an affect on me, so much so that it brought me to my knees & brought me to tears. I just did not know what to make of it & still to this day have no real answer for it except that is was beautiful, as I remember it happened just after I had gained an understanding of a question I had ask the Father of which I asked Him to show me the answer, the answer came to me clear as day with no doubt. 
Please understand I am not saying here that I am Anointed because as I mentioned in my previous post I cannot accept that I would be worthy of such a thing or whether it would even be a possibilty, even though strangely at the back of my mind I think about it but I just tend to try to dismiss it, as I mentioned before I just would never be so presumptuous due to how I see & view myself & also recognizing how far short I fall, I would not deserve such a massive & awesome honour & would not expect to be given it. 
Even though I know Paul battled with himself regarding "the flesh" it would be wrong in my eyes to even compare such a great servant of God & Christ to myself but I certainly understand how he must have struggled because I battle daily, wrestling with myself. I know that this was not what you were trying to convey JD, you were not comparing but giving me an encouraging example of which was certainly very up-lifting.
Anyway thankyou again Pearl & JD for your posts, links & kindness, it was much appreciated.

Warm & loving regards,
Daz

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Aug 4 15 8:09 AM

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your encouraging support, JD.  I figured Satan must know these things; it is the basis of Gen 3:15, after all.  I must admit, the Father is always giving me reassurance when I ask for it, but it doesn’t take away the total unworthiness I feel, wretched person that I am!

Daz,I was in the same position as you when realizing I may be anointed.  I felt, and still feel most days, a lowly worm (oh boy, that reminds me of Richard Scarry’s kids’ books).  I want to give you this link to my own question and Pearl’s answer that she gave me during my struggle in reaching acceptance of my anointing.  Maybe you’ve read it already. 
Each day I ask for refinement and help to quench my fear of falling off the narrow road.  What I am finding is that by praying for strength as I go through this refinement, I am also less fearful of giving in to everything Satan throws at me including opposition in doing God’s will. 

http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/12/an-excerpt-from-letter-i-received-dear.html?m=1

As far as the anointing itself, it was very similar to what you said.  Personally, I felt on the edge of existence, and approached God in such a strained emotional state and asked for help to do His will.  I wish I could remember each and every word that I spoke, but I do remember how awful I felt.  Sometimes I yearn to feel such love one more time, the blanket of love and calmness was unmistakable. When those priests of old were anointed with oil, they must have also felt the Spirit enter their heart as happens today.  It radiates through the entire being.   Oh, how I wish I could have acted on it immediately! I know I thanked God for the abundant relief, but also I was somewhat bewildered by the whole thing.  Now, it is with such remorse that I fell to idolatry and the demands of men. As it says in the link to Pearl’s article on who are the anointed, she mentioned that we aren’t from the same cookie cutter; God knows how to reach each one of us in the appropriate manner. 

Look at it this way, Daz, it’s not taking you 32 years to figure it all out! 
Love to you, Daz, Pearl, JD, Obe, Mickey, Miro, Nana, Debbie, Berucha, Julian, Modise, Andre, Jessica, Rus, Elsinore, Susan, Michele, Paulo, Barb. 

love to all of you,
peely 

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Aug 5 15 10:23 AM

Hi Peely, thankyou very much for your reply & kind words, I wish I had the confidence you now have.
Yes I had read the article that you posted the link for but read again. What an amzing thing that happend which gave the confirmation that Pearl needed but also I can totally understand where Pearl was coming from in the way she felt prior to that, although the circumstances for me are a little different I was refused baptism due to me not conforming how the elders wanted me too, this was a very rough time for me & lead me down the road of feeling unwanted by God & Christ, I felt so unworthy & worthless and for a time it made doubt what I had stood up for  & bear in mind I had been associating with them for approx 18 years & was initially brought up in it for some of my childhood until my parents decided to leave the organization. I was stopped from going out on ministry even though I had only really just started doing so, My school bible readings were pretty much non existent, my wife was told to move on without me & a Jw sister at the hall who had made friends with my wife pretty much tried to encourage my wife to go stay with her because I was not fully conforming to all the rules & regulations. I felt myself getting more depressed, my wife & I were starting to argue which in turn made an impact on our children, it was a very difficult time just as I know all of your experiences were. All through this I did not blame God or curse Him but wanted deeply to understand why all this was happening to me, to us? So I threw myself into independently study & read many other peoples writings, views, I met up with some others who studied the bible & sat in on one of their gatherings but although they were lovely people something just didn't click for me, I knew in my heart there was more to it all, more to the "truth" than what I had initially learned & experienced. My studies took me deeper & deeper, I prayed so much asking for help, asking for understanding & behold one day it happened & experienced what I mentioned in a previous post, it was just so very overwhelming & I felt great love both upon me, from inside of me I felt a great love too, great love for my Father in Heaven & His son, I just kept thanking God for showing me such kindness, it was very emotional & I had become tearful, tears of joy & relief. Then my searching led me to Pearl & what she had to say just seemed to make sense to me but as Pearl rightly says don't just take her word for it, pray about it & check all relevant scriptures. She has shown me much kindness, love & support, she never changes toward me as have you Peely.
As I said I am scared of being presumptuous & do not want to become presumptuous in any way shape or form. I look at myself & think what have I possibly got to offer compared to many others that would be more-so worthy, what would God see in me or want with me? Maybe the experience I encountered was just an overwhelming love but then surely wouldn't it keep happening every time I gained an understanding of something I had asked the Father about it? I just don't know. I do not want to read into it as I am frightened to I guess, I do not want to offend God or Christ. Can you guys understand this? Sorry to go on & on but felt I needed to explain in full.
Thankyou for listening . . . .

Warm & loving regards,
Daz

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Aug 8 15 7:34 AM

Dear Daz and Peely,
I think I have been given the answer that may address your questions:
(Daz)-- "May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. Are there ones STILL being Chosen/Anointed?"
(Peely)-- "I wonder the same things that you asked, Daz. Are there ones still being anointed?"

Please let me know if my reply here, is sufficient. I was given Rev.6:9-11 and Rev.19:2, and will explain how they provide our answer, in what I write below.
I have read and meditated on those two verses before, but never saw this aspect of the information they contain. I am amazed at how a deeper consideration of God's words, contain so many riches within such seeming simplicity.

The first verses, are Rev.6:9-11...
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been."

[Here we are told that those sealed (given white robe) are those who have been slain (Rev.12:11; 20:4) (Rom.6:3-5; Phil.3:10), for their faithful testimony of truth. ALL ("everyone" / "anyone") who slay the faithful, believe that they are serving God (John16:2)... including the Wild Beast (Rev.11:7; 13:15). Therefore, these "killers" (Jer.4:31; Isa.42:14; 1:21), are not secular, but religious, just as was the case with Christ (Matt.15:24; John15:22-25; John15:18-20; Mark13:13). We are cast out as apostate, just as he was (Mark13:13; Rev.11:7-10; Heb.13:13). We must follow the same path of being tested "in the wilderness" by Satan (Matt.4:1; Rev.12:14; 17:3) (Luke22:31; John16:33; 2-4, 20-22; Matt.24:8-9, 21-25), in order to finish our course, prove fathful (or not), and be sealed in the heavens (1Pet.2:21; Rev.14:4). These facts establish to us, that if the opportunity to take this full path of Christ is over, so is the opportunity to be chosen, tested, and sealed.]

I am going to post this, but it is not done. I don't want to lose what I have finished thus far, as this tends to happen at this forum.


 

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Aug 8 15 8:27 AM

It would be best to read the previous post, as well as what follows, at the Blog:
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/08/when-are-full-144000-completed.html

Editing here is not possible, but has been done at the Blog.
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So the question is, when is that opportunity, over and past?
Please focus on the bold words of Rev.6:10...
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Here we are pointedly being told, that the slain are asking when their blood will be avenged.
The reply? (Rev.6:11)
11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."
Here, we are pointedly told, that the blood will be avenged,
when the number to be sealed is completed.
From these two facts, we glean that when we see God avenging the blood of his servants, we know the number is completed.
Do you also deduce this, and see it clearly?

Okay, now the other scripture I was given, is Rev.19:2...
"For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.
(2Kings9:7; Rev.2:20)
Here we are clearly taught, that when we see that the harlot is judged by God, it is God's vengeance upon her, for shedding the blood of His servants, whose deaths, she ordered (Rev.13:11, 15; 18:24).
When we see the Beast and ten kings, turn on the Harlot, it is because God has directed it, to avenge the blood of His servants
(Rev.17:16-17; 2Thess.1:6; Rev.18:20, 6).
When we see this occur, we know, that all those to be sealed, are already so.
There is no more choosing, testing, or sealing. This also infers, that the ten kings who remained with the Beast, are also sealed as having lost their crown.

I have edited these posts for clarity, and finished the rest of this article, at the Blog. It is located here:
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/08/when-are-full-144000-completed.html

(Please read this information, there. All corrections of work here, that Yuku is not allowing me to update, have been done at that link above.)

I also needed to add a scripture to this statement in post #15, as follows:
"Therefore, these "killers" (Jer.4:31Isa.42:141:21), are not secular, but religious, just as was the case with Christ (Matt.15:24;John15:22-25John15:18-20Mark13:13)."
The scripture to add, is  (John19:4, 6, 10-12, 15). Once again, Yuku is not allowing edits on all posts.

(To read this at the BLOG, with pop-up scrptures, please find it here:
 http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/08/when-are-full-144000-completed.html )

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Aug 8 15 8:32 AM

According to THE LINK about God's answer to my prayer...
It is good to take away from it, that if we ask God what we need to know, He will answer us when we ask in faith, according to His will.
If you question your being called to the course of Christ, why not ask for confirmation? If God has previously poured out his unmistakable witness of spirit upon you, He knows you, and will follow up with His favor, expressed by His answer to your prayers.

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Aug 8 15 3:38 PM

"Therefore, these "killers" (Jer.4:31Isa.42:141:21), are not secular, but religious, just as was the case with Christ (Matt.15:24;John15:22-25John15:18-20Mark13:13)."
The scripture to add, is  (John19:4, 610-1215). Once again, Yuku is not allowing edits on all posts.'

What this helps to prove is that the U.N is not going to be used to attack "BtheG"..as in,"the world empire of false religion". Satan may orchestrate a counterfeit "fulfilment",but its within "Zion" that Anointed members use "gentiles" to kill their fellow Anointed.


 "the cry of Daughter Zion gasping for breath"..."But now, like a woman in childbirth" Isa 1:21 "See how the faithful city has become a prostitute! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her-- but now murderers!"

Wow,thats such a good verse! Its not the UN that attacks relgion,but UNfaithful Anointed who have become a "prostitute"...who then murders ! So how does a "prostitue" murder? Using Gentiles who are part of the dual world power..AND that She rides! A person riding a horse directs what the animal should do. The Harlot directs the getile beast to kill HER fellow Brothers,making Her a murderer. But only because as Anointed the GB have become a "prostitute".

In Christs time,the religious leaders prostituted themselves to the romans to get Christ killed. "We have no King but Caesar" instead of Christ being their King. So He died at the hands of "prostituting" covenant members.

Why would some Anointed become "murderers"? Because some ANOINTED have  "
become a prostitute"! This is a REVELATION,that some Anointed within our time period have "become a prostitute" What is the result of that "prostituting? Murder. Do "jws" know that some anointed within their organisation have become a prostitute? Do Anointed,know their main danger is from Anointed within jws who have become prostitutes/Harlots?

No wonder the "woman" cries out ! Members who could have  been sealed into Her...are murdering their fellow invited. Those already sealed into the "woman" are greatly distressed over the Harlots murders. What great verses to prove the harlots foretelling events involving the UN are lies to cover up her own prostituting murders! Those verses help to show its anointed killing other anointed...and the one doing it,are ANOINTED who have become a Harlot. Its not happening within satans world,but within Anointed as a group.

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Aug 8 15 4:09 PM

The Kingdom supposedly being Born in 1914,does 2 things.
1/.It puts the GB in their positions as supposed sealed ones.
2/.What this also does is hides the Harlot prostitute from being within the ranks of supposed sealed Anointed kingdom members,because the GB are supposedly sealed. Therefore,they cant be part of the Harlot,if they are sealed into "The Kingdom". It hides the fact that the prostitute is within Anointed. Then that Harlot says we should be looking in satans world for that Prostitute/Harlot,when Jah says its within Anointed.


The GB say that very few anointed are unfaithful,but thats not what Revelation says,backed by Isa 1:21. That murdering prostitute comes from within the ranks of Anointed within “jws”,because no-where else are true Anointed to be found!

So the question is that Jah demands us to ask about Anointed,is:Within Anointed today,who are the Murdering Prostitutes?
Isaiah 1:21 is such a good verse!

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Aug 11 15 8:46 AM

Hi Daz,

Your words:   I wish I had the confidence you now have.  What confidence?  I question myself every day, Daz.  I believe if I portray any confidence it is in knowing the Father protects and directs – consistently, and knowing I have found truth. The steps you are going through just happened to me earlier, starting 1 ½ years ago.  You have been through the ringer.  Yet look!  Your faith can only grow as I see happening to you now. 

Funny thing, I was refused baptism at first also.  I was looked down upon based on my past.  As such a shy person it was hard to even be around the congregation with elders saying what they did. Later, when meeting my husband who wasn’t baptized as yet, we decided to marry before his baptism and because of that decision even my own “Jehovah’s Witness” brother and sister refused to attend our wedding. They, as well as all new found friends, were under pressure from the elders.  No one was there except two workmates and a dog :)  Your words:   I knew in my heart there was more to it all, more to the "truth" than what I had initially learned & experienced.  Yes!  I had the same feeling which became a determined drive to find the real truth!  And I stumbled through the entire way.  What we have experienced, and what you are now experiencing is so close in nature to both of us.  How frequent are these words of yours on my own lips, what would God see in me or want with me? When I take those particular words to Him in prayer and ask for scriptural guidance as an answer, He never disappoints; on the other hand I am brought to tears over the words He puts before my eyes.  I have come to always look for this direction, as if I can’t get enough of His guidance - His help in my desire to do His will. 

To me now, I view what happened in the past as done; what happens each day from this day forward is the most important.  I believe I will always feel unworthy on this earth in the serving capacity He has put me in, and I question my ability to serve in the Holy City; but again He gives us assurance:

“But you, Israel, my servant,
    Jacob, whom I have chosen,
    you descendants of Abraham my friend,
I took you from the ends of the earth,
    from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, ‘You are my servant’;
    I have chosen you and have not rejected you.
10 So do not fear, for I am with you;
    do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
    I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.  Isa 41:8-10

These words build our faith in our own ability to please our Father and His Son.  The family members here have a very large dog, a St. Bernard, who as a form of affection leans her heavy body very solidly against our own.  She is given affection in return; who could resist not to?  In the spiritual sense, I so heavily lean on all of you on this forum for support and your love, and I am never disappointed with the return I receive.   Within the Body, the connection is like a magnet one is drawn to.  I lean on you all, I am taught by you all, and with the guidance of Holy Spirit and our Master I hope to grow as a thriving, loving part of this Body, bringing pleasure in the eyes of Jesus Christ.  Keep leaning on us, Daz :)

Know my prayers are with you daily.

love,
peely

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