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Matt 23:9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven."

No man or women on earth can or does act toward His children as God does. We may call our physical fathers,our father,but Christ said not to. Thats because NONE have treated their children as Jah would have as we grew up. How Jah would like to treat us,is NOT reflected in how our physical fathers have done so. So even though they are our physical fathers,they have NOT treated us in a way,that God would love to. Look at Adam and how he treated his children.

Christ reflected how Jah the Father would want to treat us. So we have to let go of the idea,that how our physical parents treated us,must be a reflection of our worth in GODS EYES. Did they treat us as God would have? No! But look as Jesus. When children came to him,they felt comfortable in doing so. Even his own disciples tried to stop children coming to him,because they treated children,as they were treated as children. But Christ was not like even his own disciples in the treatment of children.

When He was being led to His death,a large crowd of women followed him. Luke 23:27 This is because no other man had treated them,as Jesus had. Would any other man allowed a women to weep on His feet as she had,in front of other people? Luke 7:36-50. What would have caused her to take such an action? She was shown great love by Christ.

If we have seen Christ,we have seen the Father. How Jesus treated people,is how The Father would have wanted to. We gauge our worth by how those 2 would love to treat us. John 14:9 "Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"

John loved Christ and would even lean upon Christ as a sign of his affection. Christ loved John also. That this affection was between them both was part of the reason for Jesus entrusting His mother,to John who He loved.

Who were the first ones he revealed Himself to after His resurrection? His disciples? No! To Women. Jesus was NOT bound by conventions of men,in regards to affection with men,His love of Women and how He treated them...and how He loved Children.

This is why "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" and why no man on earth has acted like Jah in the treatment of his children and we ought not call men our "father" in the sense that they are worthy of being called "Father" as Jah is.

In regards to "fathers" or parents,what is one key issue,is that how we were treated,has a great bearing on how we value ourselves...if we have worth in our eyes.

This is how it should have been. If our parent loved us unconditionally like Jah would have,we would have known we were lovable,even before we could reason on such matters. Why would someone love someone who is not lovable? So if we were loved,then when old enough we could have learnt why we WERE lovable.

A parents role is to teach a child what Gods wants them to know about themselves. If a parent does not know God in any way,will they love that Child as a gift from God?

But very few parents know their own worth coming fro Jah,so as to pass this onto their children. Neglect is as damaging as abuse in some respects. NOT being taught our value,is with holding a key part of knowing who we are. But since very few parents know Jah to an extent of knowing their value comes from being in Gods image,knowing our real worth coming from Jah is VERY unlikely to be known to most...because the parents simply dont know this fact.

This is why we cannot rely on how parents raised us as the only way to define ourselves. We have to look at how Christ treated people,to see who the Father wanted to love us.

Experiences of violence or neglect upon children,teach that child they have no value. If that person who committed those crimes KNEW the childs value,would they have done the terrible things? If the person who committed those crimes of hate against that child knew THEY themselves were lovable and had value,would they have done those terrible things? No! The abused becomes the abuser,because they dont know any different.

There isnt an easy answer to this topic. Many children have terrible childhoods...many have reasonable. But we cannot allow how we are treated BY OTHERS who dont know their own personal value,to determine OUR VALUE,including parents.

God is LOVE. How He has treated us,shows HE KNOWS OUR VALUE. He sent His Son,who gave so much,because He was taught by His “father” His true value. Jesus gave so much,because He knew He had been given so much...and had been given so much Himself and wanted to share that with us.

So WHY did Jah send His Son,who knew so much about our true value? By His actions,revealed Gods great love for us,because we ARE valued by Him because we have great value!

Would Jesus have LOVED those people back then so much,if they didnt have an intrinsic value that prompted Him to LOVE them?

There are important issues being settled which require God to not be involved in human affairs. But when God sent His Son,what Jesus did while on earth,shows us just how much He does LOVE us...and HOW HE REALLY WANTS TO DEMONSTRATE HOW MUCH THEY LOVE US! How Christ loved people,is how God wanted to LOVE them!

Jah and Christ treated people back then according to the inner value,which He knows still exists within us.

Look at how people responded to Christ's treatment of them! ADULTS were starved of LOVE...and even though only 30YO,knew how He treated them,was from God.

In Jesus life,we have a small window into how God wants to Love us BECAUSE He sees our inner value. This is what had to be ransomed and saved!

HOW you give a gift often reflects the intention and motive for the gift. Christ came to ransom mankind,but the way the gift was given through so much love before Christ died,shows WHY that gift was given. So God could once again love mankind the way he originally intended...BECAUSE we have an inner value He wants to LOVE. John 3:16,Romans 5:8,Titus 3:4,1John 4:9,10.

We have no Father but one? Yes,no-one wants to love us like Jah does...no-one gave up so much like Jah did,so he could love us once again! And the Son gave up everything so that BOTH of them could bring us back into their family.

Jah is neither male nor female. Yet grammatically,He is referred to as Father. "father" in Greek can also mean "Parent",which is a non gender term.. This may help those abused by men/fathers,to see Jah differently as a “Father”.

His great LOVE and Him loving us,has nothing to do with gender...or what kind of Body He lives in. He loves because of the abundance of spiritual qualities that HE is loyal to. So when Jah is referred to as Father”,its a term he allows to be used,so we can relate to Him in some way. But since He has no physical gender,He loves us because of who “He” is,not what “body” He has. Its the values He is loyal to,that He chooses to love us.

So when He loves us,it has nothing to do with His body or gender. “He” is not a Father” in the same sense as our physical fathers here on earth. When the scriptures refer to Him as “father” its not in the same sense as a physical father. He is our parent/originator who has NO gender...and has not acted in any way like any physical father has.

He loves us because he sees within us what is beautiful,which by a miracle,He put there. This moves Him to love us,which included a rescue mission via His Son to have us back within His reach,so He could love us once again . The scriptures explain why he did this,we are still in His image. This value which originates with Jah,is so precious it cannot be lost. Which is why both Jah and Christ sacrificed so much,so it could be restored in Paradise and bought to its former glory,which was lost in Eden.

Christ said to call no-one “father” but Jah. His reasons for giving humans life,are not the same reasons human men “pass on” life. Jah originated life,human men many times recklessly get women pregnant with no regard for the offspring,nor care what happens to them. Jahs creating life was a deliberate act for a specific reason. He loved His life because of what His qualities bought to it. Without Loves abundance in His life,there could be no harmony and joy. He wanted to share this with us! So they might know Love in so many ways,which can only happen if they are in Gods image.
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Dear Jasdisciple,
I have highlighted in grey, some of your comments, because they are not in accord with scripture. Rather than remove the comment, which does contain some beneficial information, I have distinguished the beneficial from the false.
If you or other readers wish to see what scripture tells us, regarding God's gender, or who and why God loves, God loving "us once again", whether we are still in God's image as His children, and whether or not our value in God's eyes "cannot be lost", please consider the scriptures regarding those subjects...

**God is called "father" because gender is not only physical. The physical is a manifestation, patterned after the spiritual (Gen.1:26). God's unseen qualitites are demonstrated in the physical (Rom.1:20; Acts17:28; Prov.23:22 A). That includes His spiritual male gender. It also includes, the "femininity" of His covenants and the members who comprise them, as "female", due to the spiritual role, capacity, and disposition of their members (Gal.4:26; Rev.21:2,9).
**God does not "see within all of us, what is beautiful", but rather, He searches the earth throughout time, for such hearts.
(Gen.6:5; Luke17:26)
(2Chron.16:9; Prov.21:2; Rom.3:10; Prov.16:5; Gen.6:12; Prov.19:3)
**God never stopped loving mankind, so that His love has to be renewed. Yet His blessing and salvation, is only toward those who seek reconcilliation with Him.
**We can have Satan as our father, because we no longer imitate God, are in His image, nor obey Him.
**We can certainly lose our value in God's eyes (Matt.25:30; Eze.22:18; Ps.119:118-119; 1:4)

For more information:
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/04/is-god-both-male-and-female.html)

(http://4womaninthewildernessforum.yuku.com/reply/546/just-a-note#reply-546)

(http://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/)

(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/03/pregnant-woman-and-nursing-mothers.html)

 

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Sep 20 16 6:21 PM

Pearl,you said **We can have Satan as our father, because we no longer imitate God, are in His image, nor obey Him."

So are you saying we are NOT in Gods image anymore?

This is WHY you say this,which is NOT from scripture:
**God does not "see within us, what is beautiful", but rather, He searches the earth throughout time, for such hearts.

That doesnt even make sense. If He is searching,what is He searching for?! "such hearts" that ARE beautiful.

So are we still in Gods image or not? You have said we are not. Does the bible agree with this?

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Dear Jahsdisciple,
Jesus said that we can lose God as Father; so if we are truly his disciples, we accept that truth as fact.
He told the Jewish leaders..... 
      (who claimed to have God as father -John8:41, but of whom Jesus said they did not know the Father -John8:19)
...."You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” (John8:44,46)

To be seen as children of God, we must imitate God... (Matt.5:45; Eph.5:1; Phil.2:15)
Jesus clearly identified to us, two different families, with two different fathers....
 "Matt.13:37 "He replied, 'The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil.' "

So according to Jesus Christ, if we cultivate the teachings of demons in our heart as the Jewish leaders did... do not "hold to the truth" and want to "carry out your father's desires";
then we belong to the devil, and cannot "hear what God says" (John8:44 quoted above). Such hearts are not beautiful to God, nor does He see them as proving to be His children.

If we DO "hold to the truth", we are the hearts described at Luke8:15...
"But the seed (God's Word -Luke8:11; 1Pet.1:23) on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word of God, retain it, and by persevering, produce a crop."
  Genuine sons of God walk according to God's spirit (Rom.8:14), not according to Satan's spirit, which is deception and contempt for those who do speak God's truths.

I gave you scriptures in my first reply, that already refuted that there are those who are no longer in God's image, because they are patterning their heart after the hateful and rebellious deceiver.
I gave you scriptures in my first reply, that already made clear that God is searching out hearts that desire to be obedient, righteous, and holy.
That certainly is not everyone... whether a victim of abuse, or not. If victims of abuse desire God's loving care and healing, they too must seek God and desire to hear and obey His truths.
If I truly desire God's healing for such victims, I must make the reality of God's requirements, clear to them (John8:32). 

Did you not respect the scriptures I cited in my first reply, enough, to read them? Or did you read them, and not hear what they said? (John8:47)
Do you hear the scriptures in this reply? Or will you again retort against God's Words?
Are you "holding to the truth", or "carrying out the desires" of a different father, by fighting against it?
I had decided to see how you would respond to the scriptures I provided,
 which clearly re-adjust your assertions and attitude (1Thess.2:13; 2Tim.3:16; Eph.4:22-24),
   to see how you would respond to them.
Those who are publicly active in defying the scriptures (John8:38), are not welcomed at this forum.
That is a very little thing, in comparison to not being welcomed by God, into His Kingdom.

You have dubbed yourself, "Jahsdisciple".
Jesus said;
"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples." (John8:31)

Salvation truly depends upon, a "love of the truth" (2Thess.2:10).
You once had it. 
(Gal.1:6; 2Cor.11:4; 1Tim.4:1; Rom.16:18)
How will you die for the truths of God (Mark8:35), when you no longer desire to live for them?

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Sep 21 16 7:23 AM

Pearl, “Genuine sons of God walk according to God's spirit (Rom.8:14), not according to Satan's spirit, which is deception and contempt for those who do speak God's truths.”

“But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.  Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, (according to Satan's spirit)  and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him.  Col 3:8-10 

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Sep 21 16 11:09 AM

Yes, Peely.
"the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him." (Col.3:10)
This is why I added Gen.1:26 above...
"Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

There are many such animals and creatures in the symbolic book of Revelation. But there are also those who are called, "men".
They are the ones in the time of the end, who are seen as being in the image of God.

Adam was made in God's male image. Not God, conformed to the image of a human father, so that we could understand Him better...
or, "...'Father', as a term he allows to be used, so we can relate to Him in some way.".

God was a masculine Ruler and Warrior (See Ex.15:3), long before Adam took on God's masculine image.
Those who are physical females who become rulers, are said to be spiritual sons of God (Gal.3:26), because as individual kings and priests, they become spiritual firstborn males.
(LINK to article, "Firstborn")
Yet as a whole group under Christ, they are a submissive wife.
If our image of "father" has been distorted by the corruption of men,
that does not mean that God is no longer our righteous and holy, merciful Father.
He can help us, to see Him as such.

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Sep 21 16 3:09 PM

Pearl said “Did you not respect the scriptures I cited in my first reply, enough, to read them? Or did you read them, and not hear what they said? (John8:47) Do you hear the scriptures in this reply? Or will you again retort against God's Words? “

Gen 9:6 “Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.”

Obviously,this was said by Jah AFTER Adam and Eve sinned. It was said to Noah,who lived many HUNDREDS of years after Adam and Eve died. Even though that time had passed,JAH SAID,His image still existed within mankind. So as you yourself said,”Do you hear the scriptures in this reply? Or will you again retort against God's Words? “

So are we in Gods image or not? When Adam and Eve sinned,was that gift lost? YOU are saying it was lost,but that is NOT what Jah says.

We are not here to hear your views of your parents, that they gave you about your value and how you see yourself,that causes you to twist what Jah has said about our value...and then inflict that on others,as if its Jahs view.

The whole point of hearing what Jah says is to UNLEARN what our physical parents taught us in ignorance of Jah. Jahs words remove ALL kinds of ignorance,incluidng ignorance of our value within us from Jahs Image. Can someone DEFY that gift by defying Jahs commandments? Yes. Disobedient people have been executed as they were by the Flood,though they have Gods Image within them.

When we act in harmony with that image,weather a “man” or a “women”,we are acting in harmony with what is still within us. By obeying Jahs commandments,we are being given instructions to act in harmony with what is still within us. Gen 9:6 PROVES it. . We CHOOSE to be loyal to Him via what he has given us. This is why we will be restored under Gods Kingdom. “Restore” means to bring to its former glory. But that does NOT mean is was lost. It is still there with many damages and cracks. But its still there. Psalm 8:3-9.

Can Adam and Eves sin,make God a liar? You are saying they can. When Jah said His image was within man and women,and it would be passed onto other humans,Jah knew it was going to happen. Not even their disobedience could wipe that gift out! Gen 9:6 PROVES its still there. Psalm 8:3-9 Jah told Noah,it WAS still there.  Jahs words will have success,even sin will not stop Gods image from being within mankind. Isa 55:11.

About Gods “masculinity”.
If you are going to say God is “masculine” in some way,because Adam was in His image...therefore God must be also masculine in some way,THEN God must be feminine in some way also,because “He created “ MAN and WOMEN in “His” image. He CREATED BOTH men and women in His image. Gen1:27,Gen 5:2 “He created them male and female.”

Im sure at some point,this thread will be deleted,because you cant admit what scripture says,though you accuse me of the same thing!

Pearl said “You once had it. (Gal.1:6; 2Cor.11:4; 1Tim.4:1; Rom.16:18) How will you die for the truths of God (Mark8:35), when you no longer desire to live for them?” What you falsely accuse me of,is true of yourself.

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Sep 21 16 6:41 PM

Hi Jah's Disciple 
Pearl's arrogant attitude reminds me of Saul persecuting David.  His arrogance and disobedience caused him to lose Jah's Holy Spirit.  Pearl is on a dangerous path to losing Jahs spirit. What I find so interesting about Saul is that when he lost Jahs holy spirit he became jealous of David because God anointed David and began persecuting him.  Pearl's attitude towards you is so similar to Saul's.  If she doesn't repent and show Christ like humility and love,  I'm afraid she is on her way to losing HS and that is very sad indeed.

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Sep 21 16 7:23 PM

It is Christ and the faithful anointed, that are prefigured in David;
not a proud Gentile who is not a priest or a king.
I did not say that no man after Adam is in God's image, obviously, since I said that there are "men" in Revelation,
not to mention all those throughout history that were loyal to God, and were killed for it.
Teaching the truth is not an absence of humility and love. Persecuting those who do teach truth, is.

God created both male and female, but scripture does not say that female was created in the image of God.
The woman came from the man.
"For man did not come from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1Cor.11:8-9)

Regarding your thought, that Gen.9:6 proves that all are men, and are still all in the image of God...
the apostle Peter refers to the murder of those who have lost the image of God, at 2Pet.2:12 ;
"But these, like unreasoning brute beasts, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed,
reviling where they have no knowledge, will, according to the destructive instinct of those creatures, also be destroyed".
Destroyed by whom?
Destroyed by the destroyer, the murderer whom they have chosen as father. (John8:44; Rev.9:11; Isa.33:1)

How is it that I am not willing to live and die for truth, when I have already been killed, and have spent every day since, writing.
Have you stood up in your Congregation yet, or sent all it's members warning letters? Have you been expelled yet JD?

It is so easy Rosa, to condemn.
Why didn't you provide the scriptures to prove my error, and prove JD's truth?
Why didn't you judge according to the only Righteous Judge?
Your condemnation means nothing, because it comes from, and glorifies, only yourself (John 7:18).
I am not guided by human approval (John5:44; Rom.2:28).
While the false prophet (Rev.13:11), embues the Gentile Beast with counterfeit Holy Spirit (Rev.13:15),
it also makes it appear, that it righteously condemns others, according to divine justice (Rev.13:13).
That does not make the condemnation, true.

The Harlot attributes holy spirit to the Gentile Beast, just as you have compared JD to God's anointed king who precedes Christ (Luke1:32),
and like the Harlot, you expect me to lie down and allow myself to be trampled by the Gentile. 
Both of you...
go fornicate somewhere else. This stroking of the Gentile by the Harlot, is sickening me.

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Sep 22 16 7:36 AM

How blind you have become to the real arrogance evident in both of you, Rose Petal.  JD attacks Pearl personally and you do the same.  Is this to please yourself?

"Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.  For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”  Rom 15:2,3

You question Pearl losing the Father’s spirit because she, as God’s prophet, is correcting JD’s understanding, and has been consistent in doing so.  It has been his choice to contradict her repeatedly, because his own arrogance overrides his ability to now see truth. Have you lost sight of who your true neighbor in Christ is?
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/love-your-enemies.html (JD made a good comment under this article)

Do you realize that if you approached either Pearl, or any of us, eager to be of one mind, glorifying God together that none of us would resist you?  This is what brings blessings of Holy Spirit.  Do you really believe you can accomplish God’s will outside of the Body of Christ?  Is this what Paul, a prophet, taught?

“May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God. “  Rom 15:5-7

Have you been chosen to be God’s prophet in the time of the end, a job that comes with persecution from every angle you can conjure up in your mind?  JD and your comments are part of that persecution toward Pearl.Your actions clearly show you eagerly accept what JD, who is not a priest, offers you, over and above what Christ has provided us through Pearl.  Why would we resist God’s plan by instituting our own, away from the Body of Christ? 

At one point you were posting Pearl's articles on facebook, and were fully aware that Pearl is God's prophet; but now, have you chose to receive your own edification through another who is not God's priest?  Num 12:6

"But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.  He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.  I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification." 1 Cor 14:3-5

A prophet has been sent to teach Truth to whom? To members of the Body who have been scattered throughout all the "nations"!  What do they do with this food they receive at the time of the Marriage feast? They feed God's sheep, directing them to this Feast Jesus has provided us!  And you, as well as JD, are leading them away.

Did Christ ever bend when it came to the Truth?  Why then, would God's prophet do so?  Do you expect Pearl to cave to JD's demands as you seem to have?

Rev 2:2-5   

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Sep 22 16 8:37 AM

I for one have learned not to put trust no man or woman when to comes to God's word, I have been misled, stumbled & disheartened by their actions. I am all for reasoning together & helping one another but ultimately we should rely on our Father in heaven to guide us.
Time is the revealer & will provide the nswers we all search for.
I do not go on the attack against anyone, yet I have been attacked, let God & Christ be my judge, no man or woman has that right.
Pray & ask for forgiveness & for guidance.

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Sep 22 16 2:03 PM

Dear Daz,
     (cited scriptures are links to read them)
Our father in heaven (whose guidance you believe we should accept), guides us to spiritual food. 
He has chosen priests for a reason. It is through that living temple, that Christ provides food and guidance...
 "For the lips of a priest should preserve knowledge,
And people should seek the law from his mouth;
For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts." (Mal.2:7)
(John21:17)
 "And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has." (Luke12:42-44)

According to Amos8:12, people searching for the knowledge of God (due to be revealed in the time of the end) and spoken of at Dan.12:4, will not be found by those searching on their own.
Few find that revealed truth, which comes from wise "stars", according to Dan.12:10; and Dan.12:3.
Those stars are identified as angels in Christ's right hand (Rev.1:20), present during the power of the wicked (Phil.2:15).
They are depicted as stars, because they are of heaven... chosen to be bearers of light during a dark night.

Truly, we all have been mislead in the past by the present wicked steward, spoken of at Luke12:45-46,
who fell from their heavenly position as stars (2Pet.3:17; Rev.8:10-11).
That does not mean that God's Temple priesthood arrangment of shepherds, assigned to care for His sheep, has failed or totally disappeared.
Jesus made plain to all those seeking discipleship, how to discern between a
faithful steward (who provides the proper food (truth) at the proper time (when needed)]
and a wicked steward [who would provide the wrong food (lies) at the wrong time (miscalculations of prophetic events, such as 1914)
(asleep at his post when the enemy arrives)] (Matt.24:43).
(Matt.7:20) (LINK)
Jesus never advised his disciples, to be independant from the Body of Christ (the Temple where His spirit and truth would reside -1Cor.3:16; 2Cor.3:17; John8:32) and to learn on their own.
Even the anointed members of Christ themselves, are interdependant (1Cor.12:12, 21, 28-29; Eph.4:11-13).
He told his anointed priests (in this next verse, his apostles), to teach his commands to any desiring discipleship (Matt.28:19-20).
In the time of the end, Jesus sends forth his "two witnesses" to prophesy ("they" are prophets) (Rev.11:3; Zech.4:14)
to declare the newly revealed truths of Dan.12:4; and Rev.22:10.

Do you think those "two" wise and Christ-appointed stewards and end-time prophets, should be ignored and distrusted...
in favor of people trying to decipher the Bible on their own, or through group discussion?
Or, should people use the guidance of Christ to identify and heed God's assigned prophets (Jer.26:5; 29:19),
and if they fulfill the standards set by Christ... be trusted?
Is it better to trust one's own thinking? What does God say? ...(Prov.3:5; 14:12)

Historically within scripture, God's people and the alien residents (proselytes) among them, worshiped God through God's assigned Temple priests.
That priesthood generation is present, serving God up until the end, and beyond (Matt.24:34-35) (Rev.5:9-10; 7:15; 22:3).
Truth and Life cannot be found independant of God's priesthood/Christ's Bride (Rev.22:17; John4:22; Rom.2:28-29; Gal.3:26,29).

Of course, there will always be those who chaff under the thought of having to be humble, and listen to the guidance of another,
even if that guidance is sourced in Holy Spirit, through a structure and arrangment, designed and installed by God's Himself.
Rebellious hearts always want to be self-directed, as Adam and Eve thought they could become.
The proud view loving and needed discipline as an attack, because discipline requires allowing oneself to be trained by another (Heb.12:11)...,
something that the proud, abhor (Prov.5:12; Ps.50:17) (Prov.15:31; 12:1-2)
But without the faithful trees of life and members of God's Holy, Heavenly City, ....there is no healing,
no matter how much study one may do on their own.
(Rev.22:1-2) (Heb.12:22-23; Eph.2:6) (Rev.21:2-3; 2Cor.6:16; 1Cor.3:16).

Could you please provide the scriptures that guided you in your decision to trust no one, and that no man or woman has the right to judge
(in light of 1Cor.6:2-3 ; John20:23 and Matt.18:18).
Though the Bible tells us not to trust princes with our salvation (Ps.146:3);
one can and should trust God's Word, which is conveyed in the fire of spirit and truth,
through His faithful priests (Matt.10:20; Rev.11:5; Jer.5:14; 23:29; Hosea6:5).
 

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Sep 22 16 3:05 PM

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Psalm 118:8-9
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.
2 Timothy 3:13-17
While evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.
1 Corinthians 2:7-13
But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
1 Thessalonians 4:9-12
Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another, for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.
John 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
1 John 3:3
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
John 14:21
Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
Isaiah 2:22
Stop regarding man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he?
Jeremiah 17:5-8
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land. “Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord. He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear fruit.”
Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Proverbs 28:26
Those who trust in themselves are fools, but those who walk in wisdom are kept safe.
Psalm 146:3
Don’t put your confidence in powerful people; there is no help for you there.Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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Sep 22 16 3:18 PM

I was adding to my conclusion when you were also posting.
Here it is:
Though the Bible tells us not to trust princes with our salvation (Ps.146:3);
one can and should trust God's Word, which is conveyed in the fire of spirit and truth,
through His faithful priests (Matt.10:20Rev.11:5Jer.5:1423:29Hosea6:5).
 
There is a big difference in putting trust in those who have not proven that they are spokesmen for God,
and those who have. This is why Jesus expects us, to discern the difference.
"Who really is the faithful steward, whom his master has appointed over his household, to give them their proper food at the proper time?"
"By their fruits you will recognize those men" (Matt.7:20)

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Sep 22 16 3:27 PM

1John4:1 reads;
""Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

We are clearly told, to test and see if the spirit of what we are examining is from God, or if it is from a false prophet, before we believe it.
If we discern that it is true and is from the Word of God, then we should believe it, because it comes from a true prophet.

"Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. " (John7:16-18)

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Sep 22 16 3:31 PM

If you do not trust me and you think I am a false prophet in the guidance,revelation, and discipline I express;
then you do not belong at this particular forum, which is provided for those who appreciate the work being accomplished through me,
who are endeavoring to apply it's content, and who are seeking the support and companionship of others with the same perspective.

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Sep 23 16 7:15 AM

As I observe those who seemed to have zeal, veer off into another spirit other than Christ's; the wisdom of God comes to mind in two ways.
I think of Jesus' description of the various choices before each heart, and how his disclosure of their natures, removes much of our dismay.
One heart, is described at Luke 8:6,13...
"Some fell on rocky ground, and when it came up, the plants withered because they had no moisture....Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."
The "time of testing".
God allows that time as He did with Job. There is a reason that this testing is fully at work during the harvest's finale.
"The crucible for silver and the furnace for gold, but the LORD tests the heart." (Prov.17:3)
"I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.” (Jer.17:10).

We are in the very Day of God's Judgment.
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day." (John12:48)

Our ways and deeds come from the heart. If the Word of God has been cultivated within it, then we are obedient to Christ and his teaching.
But scrolls are opened in the time of the end. The divine expectations and standards of righteousness, are opened, revealed, and made clear.
The teaching of Christ is made understandable, including the warnings found in his message of Revelation.
Of that Day, Paul said;
"his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward." (1Cor.3:13-14)

The "day" in which judgment comes, through the revelation of Christ's words,
will bring to light each persons's work. That work (ways and deeds) spring from what is in the heart. 
"Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God." (1Cor.4:5)
(Rom.8:18; 2Thess.2:8)
All hearts will be exposed and revealed,
as to which spirit they have harbored in their heart,
and whose sayings they have lived by.
The measuring rod, will be the teaching of Christ.

I believe that when we see those who appear to have zeal for truth...
"wither" away, and even manifest evil...
we are watching the "day", bring into the light, the hidden motives of the heart.
As Christ's truths dawn ever brighter and brighter,
the proud who previously claimed to love them, will chafe as their true motivations are exposed, and as the Battle of Armageddon intensifies in it's testing of hearts.

The day is here. It has dawned.
The light it brings with it is exposing the true motives in each heart,
   revealing the truth about whether or not one is genuine in their devotion and obedience to the teaching of Christ.
As this day progresses,
all those who claim discipleship, will be revealed as either true or false,
just as Mal.3:18 foretold.
As that separation of wheat from weeds concludes,
we will see those whose heart motives were initially hidden,
become exposed.
Let it be our determination to remain standing on the Rock,
so that for the duration of this terrible spiritual storm,
our faith will not collapse, nor our heart be put to shame before Him.

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” (Matt.7:24-27)

It brings us grief, when we observe thousands falling at our side.
But let us rejoice and glory in the justice and mercy of our Father, who can save.

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Sep 23 16 9:36 AM

Pearl, “As that separation of wheat from weeds concludes,
we will see those whose heart motives were initially hidden,
become exposed".

Each one of us stands as a “weed” or “wheat”, each heart at judgment is comprised of full wheat or weeds.  It seems that through the period of refinement, the weeds of the heart are either eradicated, or left to take over, killing out any wheat that may previously have been sowed.  The neglect of one’s determination to remain firm in truth, inattentive to growing “weeds”, causes the collapse of our faith.  We all know the difficulty in keeping on top of our works, that prove the quality of our heart’s motives.  Letting weeds grow takes little effort; since they thrive, even on poor, rocky soil.  The beautiful thing is, we are not cultivating our heart alone, but through our obedience to Jesus as you brought out, Pearl, who helps us sink down roots of truth. 

So, we know we can’t build a heart of righteousness on our own power, which the GB thinks they are doing.  Instead, they mimic Nebuchadnezzar, by saying, “Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?”  Dan 4:30

In Nebuchadnezzar’s second dream, he heard,

This decision is by the decree of the watchers,
And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know
That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men
,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men
.’ Dan 4:17

Truly, anyone can show Nebuchadnezzar’s pride, but we can have faith and trust knowing that God exposes the prideful lie as well as the truth, by using His faithful ones whom He has chosen; today when we need it most, just as he chose Daniel in Nebuchadnezzar’s day. 

Would he really leave us,during this time of the end, bereft of anyone who would faithfully deliver His word? That thought, is contradictory to scripture.  Rev 11:3

Thank you, Pearl, for such encouragement and reminders.

love to everyone,
peely    

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